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	<title>Comments on: Zip, archive, package or compress? Help!</title>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-23573</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like very much to see these usability sessions, I would like to compare since my own sessions turned up different answers with computer illiterates and Mac users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like very much to see these usability sessions, I would like to compare since my own sessions turned up different answers with computer illiterates and Mac users.</p>
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		<title>By: David Siegel - First paper cut milestone reached! at The Plenitude of Arboreal Beauty</title>
		<link>http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-23554</link>
		<dc:creator>David Siegel - First paper cut milestone reached! at The Plenitude of Arboreal Beauty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Majic conducted a fair amount of user testing to determine the appropriate solution for this bug. Sebastian Bacher wrote a patch, but the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Majic conducted a fair amount of user testing to determine the appropriate solution for this bug. Sebastian Bacher wrote a patch, but the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Siegel - (A tentative list of) One Hundred Paper Cuts at The Plenitude of Arboreal Beauty</title>
		<link>http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-23499</link>
		<dc:creator>David Siegel - (A tentative list of) One Hundred Paper Cuts at The Plenitude of Arboreal Beauty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or other research, that would really help make progress on the trickier paper cuts. Some people have been blogging about paper cuts and conducting user testing via their readers or informal surveys in the comments. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or other research, that would really help make progress on the trickier paper cuts. Some people have been blogging about paper cuts and conducting user testing via their readers or informal surveys in the comments. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ivanka.majic</title>
		<link>http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-23493</link>
		<dc:creator>ivanka.majic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies and gentlemen, 

We are going to go with &#039;Compress...&#039;

The rationale: all users, regardless of how computer savvy they are, are able to anticipate what this will do. It is the most inclusive solution.

Thank you all for your input. 

More contributions were made here: http://www.designintheopen.org/profiles/blogs/zip-archive-package-or and I included the question in usability sessions.

Yann - I would like to address your re-order of the right click menu. I agree that it needs to be done and I will open a blueprint for it and post the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies and gentlemen, </p>
<p>We are going to go with &#8216;Compress&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>The rationale: all users, regardless of how computer savvy they are, are able to anticipate what this will do. It is the most inclusive solution.</p>
<p>Thank you all for your input. </p>
<p>More contributions were made here: <a href="http://www.designintheopen.org/profiles/blogs/zip-archive-package-or" rel="nofollow">http://www.designintheopen.org/profiles/blogs/zip-archive-package-or</a> and I included the question in usability sessions.</p>
<p>Yann &#8211; I would like to address your re-order of the right click menu. I agree that it needs to be done and I will open a blueprint for it and post the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Yann Lossouarn</title>
		<link>http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-23475</link>
		<dc:creator>Yann Lossouarn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Light breeze : +1 on the risk on file format confusion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Light breeze : +1 on the risk on file format confusion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lightbreeze</title>
		<link>http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-23470</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightbreeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/me loves the girlfriend experiment :D

If zip increases discoverability, without impacting usability in another way,  it should be used.

I guess the only problem is the file format confusion. &quot;I have already told it to make a zip, why is it asking me again!&quot; or, if .zip isn&#039;t selected by default, then &quot;Why can&#039;t my friend open the file I send him??&quot;

Are there any suggestions how we can avoid this confusion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/me loves the girlfriend experiment <img src='http://www.ivankamajic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If zip increases discoverability, without impacting usability in another way,  it should be used.</p>
<p>I guess the only problem is the file format confusion. &#8220;I have already told it to make a zip, why is it asking me again!&#8221; or, if .zip isn&#8217;t selected by default, then &#8220;Why can&#8217;t my friend open the file I send him??&#8221;</p>
<p>Are there any suggestions how we can avoid this confusion?</p>
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		<title>By: Jackflap</title>
		<link>http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-23468</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackflap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked my girlfriend what she thought &#039;Compress..&#039; was.

She looked at me, and said &#039;uh, no idea&#039;. I kept looking at her, she then said &#039;uh, to make smaller?&#039;

I then proceeded to say, it creates a zipfile, at which point she had a flash of recognition and said &#039;well it&#039;s a tortology cuz zipfiles compress&#039;. Point being, I think it should include the word &#039;Zip&#039; in there somewhere. i.e. 
&quot;Archive (Zip)..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked my girlfriend what she thought &#8216;Compress..&#8217; was.</p>
<p>She looked at me, and said &#8216;uh, no idea&#8217;. I kept looking at her, she then said &#8216;uh, to make smaller?&#8217;</p>
<p>I then proceeded to say, it creates a zipfile, at which point she had a flash of recognition and said &#8216;well it&#8217;s a tortology cuz zipfiles compress&#8217;. Point being, I think it should include the word &#8216;Zip&#8217; in there somewhere. i.e.<br />
&#8220;Archive (Zip)..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lightbreeze</title>
		<link>http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-23466</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightbreeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should justify why “Create a Compressed Archive”.

Using &#039;Compress&#039; with &#039;Archive&#039; reduces the risk that the user will interpret the action as reducing file system space - as Rick Spencer points out might happen.

Prepending &quot;Create a&quot; further makes the point that this is going to be bundled separately, and not reduce general disk space.

Actually, &quot;Bundle&quot; is a great word! The association with packaging into a single file, I believe, would be explicit to any user. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should justify why “Create a Compressed Archive”.</p>
<p>Using &#8216;Compress&#8217; with &#8216;Archive&#8217; reduces the risk that the user will interpret the action as reducing file system space &#8211; as Rick Spencer points out might happen.</p>
<p>Prepending &#8220;Create a&#8221; further makes the point that this is going to be bundled separately, and not reduce general disk space.</p>
<p>Actually, &#8220;Bundle&#8221; is a great word! The association with packaging into a single file, I believe, would be explicit to any user. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Lightbreeze</title>
		<link>http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-23465</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightbreeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a hard call to make.

Zip _is_ often used as a verb.

&#039;Compress&#039; is a verb that obviously means to reduce the size.

&#039;Archive&#039; as a noun works, but as a verb sounds to me like hiding it somewhere dusty, away from sight (this is how Gmail uses the term).

I suggest &quot;Create a Compressed Archive&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a hard call to make.</p>
<p>Zip _is_ often used as a verb.</p>
<p>&#8216;Compress&#8217; is a verb that obviously means to reduce the size.</p>
<p>&#8216;Archive&#8217; as a noun works, but as a verb sounds to me like hiding it somewhere dusty, away from sight (this is how Gmail uses the term).</p>
<p>I suggest &#8220;Create a Compressed Archive&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Yann Lossouarn</title>
		<link>http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-23460</link>
		<dc:creator>Yann Lossouarn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, why don&#039;t you just go to Launchpad in order to declare bugs ? E.g.  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts, for KDE ? And the general bug list for the TNT card...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, why don&#8217;t you just go to Launchpad in order to declare bugs ? E.g.  <a href="https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts</a>, for KDE ? And the general bug list for the TNT card&#8230;</p>
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